karmannski

My Grand Voyager MK5 from 2008 with 2.8 CRD Diesel engine has got a bad head gasket. 

How do I know? 

On Ice cold engine is steams white smoke and pressure goes straight away to the expansion tank (fumes).

Mayo on the oil cap as well...

So, did anyone did b4 head on Grand Voyager ? any tips? Can't be that hard  its only 4 cylinders head.

Any manuals available ? 

Ok, 

Feel like I'm talking to my self here

Anyway...

No Start issue is fixed now, but another problem came bad head gasket     

So I will open new topic for it. 

Hi b4 you will spend any money try to re-charge it your old battery and try - You can buy or borrow Ctek charger. 

Gearbox - check the ATF levels on cold and on warm engine, look in to your manual or search on forum on how to do this, How often did you change ATF and filters  in the past 10yrs? 

What codes did you get out of Diagnostic via OBD2? 

Good news

It was Crankshaft reluctor ring that was damaged. 

So crank sensor could not read any signals from it that crank is turning. 

Gearbox had to go out and the flywheel - and it sat just behind it. 

Started first time, 

No must service it and take it thru MOT. 

Another update 

Timing was Ok spot on - look like someone not long ago fitted new belt&water pump. 

So I'm putting everything back together, and will try again with some extra power to start him off easy start directly via Inlet. 

why you wont fix your old one? 

Ok @Admaalzo66

Recently i have had issues with my 2005 cgv 2.8 crd with starting i love this car but starting is a mayor issue with mine currently. It struggles to start in the mornings if left for hours i bought the battery 7 months ago so i do not think the battery is finished yet i can get it starting by charging the battery but if i try just starting it it cranks for 2 - 3 seconds and dies a couple of weeks back it left me stranded outside the school the starter locked up i managed to hit the started a couple times and it started right back on but im not sure if that has anything to do with the battery draining and after i charge the battery the car starts with no issues any help would be apreciated cheers.

Ok I take that your Fuel Filter been changed recently, if not change it b4 you will do anything else.

1. Remove the plastic engine cover x3 10mm 

2. Buy or get ~0.5cmx 1,5m or longer hose 

3. At the end of the Common Rail pressure pipe undo the return hose and try to block it with a screw for example. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5FnOU4MiIQ

4. If you on your own you will need long hose - Connect your hose to the return valve ... and put the other end to the bottle (secured place to avoid silage). 

5. Start cranking engine as you do (in the morning pref - on cold) and watch if there is any fuel going out of the return valve - if yes - replace the valve at the end (Bosch only) ~£50 - £60. 

6. If no leak on cranking or running engine, try to rev it to 2.500k (max allowance on P gear) and watch if the valve is letting any fuel or not if yes replace if not go to no.7

7. Remove inlet pressure sensor (Bosch part) 4 pin plug x1 hex nut bolt  - its in the inlet not far from the common rail (ref. to the picture attached) 

8. Use brake cleaner to clean in from any deposit - refit and test the cold start on car after few hrs. 

9. If not any better, buy new sensor (Bosch I paid ~ £25) 

Also good tip to improve cold start is to buy set of new glow plugs, they are cheep as chips these days £10 each all you nee id long 10mm socket to replace them. 

You need to remove alternator to get to the 1st glow plug. 

Hope this will help. 

Good Luck

Oh, that's a shame.

I just sold my MK4 and have MK5 Voyager.

Still think its the best car I ever had even after all problems that MK4 was giving me, but with your help @Andyb200 I managed to solve them.

Thank you for all YouTube videos and your time, it was very helpful.

Keep in touch ! 

Thanks a lot for all PDF and pro advise.

Ok just as a update for the purpose of this forum.

I managed to diagnose the engine : and one code came out P0336 - Crank position sensor. 

After chatting with @@SpAwNtoHell and his expertise backed up by Chrysler manual and other useful programs that he has - It may be the reason why the fuel (from tank) goes to the high pressure pump but does not go from there to the fuel rail at all - as the sensor (broken sensor) does not tell the main ECU that crank is turning so there is no point for the fuel pump (high pressure pump run by cambelt) to do anything.  So it might be that with I hope - or the bad timing with I will test if this will not give any positive results.

Will carry on

Ok I just realised that on mk5 cambelt is diftent setup.

Has anyone got autodata with diagram ?

Also I can not find on mk5 two cam shafts locking points to lock cams.

https://youtu.be/cGGSRsHclZw

I think that high pressure fuel pump that is run via cam belt is not working.

Are the mk4 and mk5 pumps are same ?

SOLD

SOLD

ok, my fuse box is different - so I assume that relay is located in different place.  

Also I came across some YouTubers that are introducing fuel relay kit made by Mopar (some models had a recall) 

Part number CBWPR091AA

But was this kit made only for petrol engine or diesels too?

here is what my fuse box looks like. 

E-mail sent. Check spam folder also.

Got it - will print if from work and study b4 weekend.

Will update on results.

Thanks bro!

Any updates on that? 

Thanks bro 

What system you use to get this data? 

Can you send me these print shots to my email in better quality please ? 

Karmannski(at)GmailDOTcom

I managed to drain the Fuel already. 

Will update here on results 

Hi all got for Sale my Grand Voyager from 2006

It is really good car, with strong and serviced every 8k miles engine.

all main jobs done, cam belt with water pump in Jan, all belts, shocks, front suspension bushes etc.

New tiers + winter set.

I have listed in on Gum tree&eBay for £3800   Item number : 273450419662

I will accept reasonable offers here in region of £3200

I'm happy to give 4 weeks or 1000 miles warranty on this car withier will come first.

I'm confident that this car is worth money and will serve for a long time.

Description from eBay  ( Most details)

Chrysler Grand Voyager 2.8 CRD Diesel 
With us since 2016 - Best Minivan ver made 
Now upgrading to the latest model so this must go, but has plenty of life to live. 
I have covered over 45000miles since I both it in March 2016.
Was serving us very well and still is as we still use it as a daily car. 
Did about 10 to 15 round trips to Poland and back 940miles each way, took us always to our destination with no surprises.  
Voyager Spec: 

Stow&Go Seats

Air Conditioning 

Diesel engine 2.8l turbocharged

Full Leather seats in immaculate condition

Fornt seats heated

Electric Doors

Auxiliary heater system (awesome in winter  1-2 min and hot air in the cabin)

DVD Entreatment system + Upgraded to USB Stick - will read any format of Dvix files. 

Tow bar

Roof Bras + racks as standard

ABS/ESP

Cruse Control 

Multifunction Steering wheel 

Manual Hand brake

Cup holders everywhere.

Arm rests on four Captain Seats 

And much more...American Dream. 


Good points: 


Cam belt changed in January 2018 with water pump

New Shocks Front with top bushes and bearings 

New Suspensions arms

All front suspension bushes changed

New front engine mount

Gearbox rebuild in 2017 Jan (see invoice below)

All new discs and pads 

Both rear Brake Caliper's New 

Both rear Bearings New (120 quid each!) 

New AC dryer and Condenser

All new Tires + Winter Set available if necessary 

Power St belt changed in my ownership 

Alternator belt pulley changed

Serviced regularly will come to new owner with fresh Oil and filters. 

New Fuel rail pressure Valve and Inlet Sensor

Goo on Cold Start - Starts First Time.

No Oil leeks 

Grate Traction Control + All wheels recently balanced

Got Invoice for every part I changed in the past 3 years


Bad Points:


Rust starts coming out in few areas but easy to repair or protect. 

Few scratch related to the age mainly in the plastic bumpers

Carpet in the boot has got rips in the corners could do with few stitches. 


Been honest as much as I could, I really like that car and was regularly serviced to the top spec. 


Grate car for large family even with pets for long continental Euro Trips.


Much better Value form money if you will compare it to the Sharan etc.

I had Sharan in the past and stays far behind Grand Voyager.

Hi all got for Sale my Grand Voyager from 2006

It is really good car, with strong and serviced every 8k miles engine.

all main jobs done, cam belt with water pump in Jan, all belts, shocks, front suspension bushes etc.

New tiers + winter set.

I have listed in on Gum tree&eBay for £3800   Item number : 273450419662

I will accept reasonable offers here in region of £3200

I'm happy to give 4 weeks or 1000 miles warranty on this car withier will come first.

I'm confident that this car is worth money and will serve for a long time.

Description from eBay  ( Most details)

Chrysler Grand Voyager 2.8 CRD Diesel 
With us since 2016 - Best Minivan ver made 
Now upgrading to the latest model so this must go, but has plenty of life to live. 
I have covered over 45000miles since I both it in March 2016.
Was serving us very well and still is as we still use it as a daily car. 
Did about 10 to 15 round trips to Poland and back 940miles each way, took us always to our destination with no surprises.  
Voyager Spec: 

Stow&Go Seats

Air Conditioning 

Diesel engine 2.8l turbocharged

Full Leather seats in immaculate condition

Fornt seats heated

Electric Doors

Auxiliary heater system (awesome in winter  1-2 min and hot air in the cabin)

DVD Entreatment system + Upgraded to USB Stick - will read any format of Dvix files. 

Tow bar

Roof Bras + racks as standard

ABS/ESP

Cruse Control 

Multifunction Steering wheel 

Manual Hand brake

Cup holders everywhere.

Arm rests on four Captain Seats 

And much more...American Dream. 


Good points: 


Cam belt changed in January 2018 with water pump

New Shocks Front with top bushes and bearings 

New Suspensions arms

All front suspension bushes changed

New front engine mount

Gearbox rebuild in 2017 Jan (see invoice below)

All new discs and pads 

Both rear Brake Caliper's New 

Both rear Bearings New (120 quid each!) 

New AC dryer and Condenser

All new Tires + Winter Set available if necessary 

Power St belt changed in my ownership 

Alternator belt pulley changed

Serviced regularly will come to new owner with fresh Oil and filters. 

New Fuel rail pressure Valve and Inlet Sensor

Goo on Cold Start - Starts First Time.

No Oil leeks 

Grate Traction Control + All wheels recently balanced

Got Invoice for every part I changed in the past 3 years


Bad Points:


Rust starts coming out in few areas but easy to repair or protect. 

Few scratch related to the age mainly in the plastic bumpers

Carpet in the boot has got rips in the corners could do with few stitches. 


Been honest as much as I could, I really like that car and was regularly serviced to the top spec. 


Grate car for large family even with pets for long continental Euro Trips.


Much better Value form money if you will compare it to the Sharan etc.

I had Sharan in the past and stays far behind Grand Voyager.

I will have a look when i get home on the diagrams, but all relays and fuses are under de bonnet by battery tray.

Diagram will help me a lot.

Yes they are there but not 100% clear with relay if for what.

2008 CRD Limited

Hello Andy bad news been looking into oil pressure  you say you were going up and down hills, I found there is an o ring on the pickup pipe the o ring loses its seal   and lets in air am thinking this might of been your problem it may be worth taking the sump off to have a look at this o ring. If it is bad Take a look at the bearings may be able to put in new ones if not to bad hope it helps. Jeff

That was my thought too- bad sump pump.

Check the Oil pressure with a tester b4. I can check on mine just to compare if you like.

Just let me know where is the low oil pressure sensor.

Karmannski

Do you know with relay/fuse is for the fuel pump bro? It will help me a lot.

I'm about to drop the tank etc.

I have disconnected one of the high pressure pipes (rail to inj) and it was dry there so I assume that fuel is not getting to the engine from the tank.

I could not hear any buzzing from the tank while my mate was putting ignition on, all I heard was single BANG! from the tank every time you turn ignition ON.

btw. to empty tank on the MK5 Voyager you must have a very thin hose ~5mm as it is not possible to put normal size hose through the hole (it has got crossed plastics not like old MK4 where you can fit 1inch hose in and suck all diesel out in 5 min)

Karmannski

Thanks bro

I noticed that there in no fuel going in to my rail at all.

I have disconnected one of the Rile-to Inj pipes - turned the engine few times and no fuel at all had showed up in the high pressure rail.

All I hear when I turn the key is the bang! from the tank. Could it be trapped air or bad fuel pump?

Engine Cover is covered in fuel so I assume that one of the return lines is leaking. 

got to inspect Fuel Filter Prime it etc

I can hear single Bang! coming from the back  when I turn ignition (like a book that fell of the shelf) not sure if that is right. 

I'm going to diagnose it tomorrow. 

Ok Got this MK5 2.8 Limited from 2008

Problem:

Does not start. 

Description: 

I put new starter, as the old was useless, it turns as long as the power is provided by battery. 

Need to test Fuel pump, relays, fuse, pressure valve etc.

Has somebody got here fuse box description, and Fuel pump Diagram? 

Any tips?