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- NEVER use those "put your registration in here"
- reproduced from May 2017 post in this forum
A 12 year old expert fully trained and certificated male assistant wiped the dribble from his nose and stormed out to my MOTA in the rain which was splattering against his thin bony shoulders making a mess of his over white freshly ironed by his Mother .. .. shirt, all the time asserting in a very authoritative way why I was wrong and why it could not possibly be their 'fittings dBase', his matchstick like thin arms finally managed to lift the bonnet without breaking either of his arms only to find the common standard terminals.
I did try to help his embarrassment, honest I did, I even offered him one of my Wurthers Originals and assured him we all make mistakes .. .. its all part of life's long learning .. .. but I still want my £230 snots back and I want them now. So now I'm back to where I started, I never in my life thought buying a correct 'soddin battery would be so much trouble.
So I start the search again - this companies dBase correctly identifies the MOTA even listing the correct colour of my car etc and suggests 2 - both in the S range both will do the job , the;
S4010 / 12V, capacity 80Ah, cold test current 740A / £72:95 - 5 year warranty - free delivery
S5010 / 12V, capacity 85Ah, cold test current 800A / £87:50 - 5 year warranty - free delivery
My one remaining indecision is that though they list 315mm long, 175mm wide, 175mm high, the 315mm is about 27mm / 1.06 inches more than my current battery which will make the 175mm installed height of the battery a full inch closer to the sound deadening material on the underside of the bonnet [radiator side].
Two Three Four Points
.1. - there are many many thousands making new very expensive replacement batteries because you believe what they tell you in their online dBase etc, don't believe it its marketing - you MUST check everything yourself
.2. - why waste all these letters of the alphabet ?, because there is an issue getting an 85/800 in the UK to fit a Voyager, and others following me might benefit from a thread that proves you don't have to go for a lesser capacity paying a lot - when you can have the full 85/800 for relatively little compared to the 175/175/278 size
.3. - don't believe what these online 'enter your registration' dataBASE's tell you .. .. they are as good as the wo/man entering the DATA and I found three that Halfords night alone that were wrong, and one [in hope more that expectation] that's correct.4. - Red Top's - - if the Grand Voyagers are a pig for starting in the cold UK- and if a battery is a store of energy / starting punch
- why are in the UK do they suggest Voyagers use the Optima 4.2 at about £160 ?
- instead of a similar or better spec TAXI battery at half that price- NEW: better still the the Exide EK800 12V 80Ah 800A AGM VRLA Car Battery MERCEDES-BENZ A0009822108.
The Optima SPIRAL claim is that :
- It'll last up to 2 times longer than other batteries.
- It can sit unused 3 times longer than other batteries.
- It is over 15 times more resistant to vibration than other batteries.
- It's non-spill-able and can mount in almost any position.
- It provides more power in the initial 1, 3, 5, and 10 seconds of the vehicle starting process than comparably rated conventional lead acid batteries.
I've read the threads on here about the issue with the Voyager in the UK and / or / lifestyle. Others have chosen and had success with different batteries / choices. Sorry about 'wall' of text
So here's the lazy way : Circumstances / mobility / lacking ability. Fit a red top, goes straight in without moddin, not cheap but about 30% cheaper when they were 1st released.Best of luck folks.. ... .... ......
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I made a mistake, I bought an expensive 6 series battery it was $hite, someone gave me a 5 year old F11 [stamped into terminals] to this day it's the best battery in my long round world, turns out the F11 is really a VARTA but this comes close, the Exide EK800 12V 80Ah 800A AGM VRLA Car Battery MERCEDES-BENZ A0009822108.
Like most big beast's the terminals are wrong way round but I have a "big red key" fitted on the end of 3' of copper welders cable so I'm ok.
NOTE: since eu2006/66 Europe no longer sell 100% virgin lead starter batteries, they all must have a % of scrapyard lead by (damn the greens) law.
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Original post :Posted 25 May 2017 - 09:26 PM
BatteryBattery choice, like choosing a wife, provokes different opinions on what is beautiful. The issue however are simple. You should be looking for about 800CCA over 80aH, this is a physical size that will not fit the CRD battery tray, so get a big one and modify the tray, or get a smaller one and take your UK winter chances. There is a~n~other UK issue of lifestyle, its a use it or lose it condition. If like me you do 2000 miles per annum with two 15 minutes trips once a week you will regardless of battery size / cost never keep that battery charged, the BUS [over 7 or so days] at resting will use more than the 30 minutes the alternator was able to replace.Different people have success with different batteries, I'm sure the UK users will come to your aid with their suggestions, particularly the Scottish contingent who have an even colder climate than I. For myself I originally had a Banner Uni Bull 690 over 70 and my replacement was a Bosch S5 Type 96 at 800 over 80. Best of luck.Power seat fuse : are as stated droppers, as you have had your battery removed for 4 days the 'droppers' should re-set themselves via the BCM/IPMUpdate : Comment on Lifestyle ; Two 15 minutes trips once a week. Here is my personal issue regardless of battery condition at the start of winter I'm always going to run out of battery before the warm weather comes. The average off-draw [see below] of 0.025 amperes always means my personal CCA bank will be empty within six months. I've tried cheap and very expensive German solar and it does not work. I have a brand new spare C6 800/80 fully charged sitting underneath this [best money you will ever spend/waste] this 9 stage charger. I'm lucky enough to have a BA9 to test batteries and can tell you for a fact that no new battery is anywhere 1/2 full when you buy it, is often already approaching its pension and at its half life age when you buy it that's why the stopped putting the DOM date on them, add to our woes EURO legislation stuffing % recycled under-par non-virgin lead into the plates and little surprise then they appear to be less good now than they once were, so best you can do is (1) charge properly (2) test the actual CCA properly and (3) be prepared to bite the bullet and change every Sept to a fully winter ready 80/800. Desperate for a @get out of jail NOW card,, this will go straight in with no moddin. Cant afford the red-top get this Lion. Best of luck.The higher the voltage applied, the faster the battery will charge, charging at too high a voltage WILL damage your battery. A simple 100Ah open lead acid battery and a 180A charger connected to the battery discharged to 50% :- @ 50% full @ 13.2V current was 35A- @ 50% full @ 14,8V current was 160A [improvement of 457%]- @ 75% full @ 13.2V current was 1A- @ 75% full @ 14.8V current was 60A [improvement of 6000%]Its not linear so :- two 15 minute periods @ 13.2V is 2 x 15 minute @ 21Ah, compared to ;- two 15 minute periods @ 14.4V is 2 x 15 minute @ 60Ah, is an improvement of about 300%The temperature sensor under the battery will drop [ temperature compensator's on modern alternators will compensate] the voltage output from about 14.0V to about 13.2V. The problem I have with this is the engine compartment soon reaches temp and the battery assumes its fully charged.- 13.20 volts is about what you would expect from [split diode - does not apply to Voyagers, and] this vehicle with a temp sensor & alternator compensator- 14.00 volts is about what you would expect from any typical alternator without a vehicle temp sensor & alternator compensator- 14.40 volts is what you would expect from a sealed lead acid to prevent [they tend to gas @ 50ºC] excessive gassing- 14.80 volts is what you can risk pushing it to with an open lead acid to prevent damage to other equipment connected to the battery at the same timeNOTE01 : There are IOD 7 functions that are 'live' when you think your car and battery are asleep, they pull a combined 0.025 ampere draw. I used a Maplins cheepo solar panel which cost me £15 at the time, and I have never been unable to start the car since. They are :• Electrical items left on.• Faulty or improperly adjusted switches.• Faulty or shorted electronic modules and components.• An internally shorted generator.• Intermittent shorts in the wiringRemote key fobRadioHeater blowerFolding mirrorsCentral locksInterior lights when the key is in the ignitionIGNITION-OFF DRAW TEST - reproduced from the workshop manual - According to Chrysler's own workshop manual :Allow twenty minutes for the IOD to stabilize and observe the multi-meter reading. The low-amper- age IOD should not exceed twenty-five milliamperes (0.025 ampere). If the current draw exceeds twenty-five milliamperes, isolate each circuit using the fuse and circuit breaker remove-and-replace process in Step 4. The multi-meter reading will drop to within the acceptable limit when the source of the excessive current draw is disconnected. Repair this circuit as required; whether a wiring short, incorrect switch adjustment, or a component failure is at faultThe term Ignition-Off Draw (IOD) identifies a normal condition where power is being drained from the battery with the ignition switch in the Off position. A normal vehicle electrical system will draw from fifteen to twenty five milliamperes (0.015 to 0.025 ampere) with the ignition switch in the Off position, and all non-ignition controlled circuits in proper working order. Up to twenty-five milliamperes are needed to enable the memory functions for the Powertrain Control Module (PCM), digital clock, electronically tuned radio, and other modules which may vary with the vehicle equipment. A vehicle that has not been operated for approximately twenty one days, may discharge the battery to an inadequate level. When a vehicle will not be used for twenty one days or more (stored), remove the IOD fuse from the Integrated Power Module (IPM). This will reduce battery discharging.BatteryMODI like many of us was an early adopter of AGM, most of us by now will be AGM. It occurs to me that the safe μF we chose for the buttonMOD could be changed to give closer to 14.4V than the 14.1 I was getting. I went 13.9 to 14.1 it would be nice to have that extra .3V, it would make a hell of a difference on a big 80aH even over such a short charging time frame as 15 minutes.I was thinking 22K Ω @ 1/2 watt would be a goodish guesstimate for keeping it under the 14.6[ish] although I'm sure it would be safe a little higher. I'll be happy if I can get to the extra .3's @ 14.4 * Tested .... smack on 14.4-6 winter and 14+ summer over a 6 month period steady across the REV range. This will better recover the winter loss more quickly. Of course in the summer the ALT output will be limited by the lower battery replenishment needs Well pleased !Update : Changed the 22K Ω @ 1/2 watt for 33K Ω @ 1/2 watt and get a consistent 15+ summer and 14+ winter. -
I drive a WAV @ 75. [sezit all] I've always supplied ALL parts and consumables. Old enough to REM the 2 year old extended +5/1/2" BMC I bought middle 60's, nice with a 5th gear. Take care ginger.
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- agree with bignev, LP never HP
- only ever came across one ever 2.8 CRD [Andy2000] where LP pump was in tank
- - see pic of primer its central twixt RAD & engine block
- - if it takes more than one or two depressions to 'hard' its leaking pressure
- - look at LP side / leakback / rail pressure / spin-on filter slack / ) ring / etc
The HP side does all the work on the 2.8 and remains constantly pressurised, doesn't need a lift pump.
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Translucent header tank, pump action can be seen squirting into header.
Hoat 05 only, bleed through open header.
Heater must be full whack in order to bleed matrix of airlocks.
Stuck open stat, fit an 'inline stat' 10 minutes 15 quid.
Even as mild as it is now it takes 30 minutes to get hot.
2.8 runs cool. I use cheepo Screwfix 'microbore' lagging airdam in the winter.
Best of luck oldginger.
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Never ever backflush.
Only ever Hoat.
Your choice my friend.
I'm religiously whole life DIY. My responsibilities, my lifeline, I'll do it 100% right or I won't start till I can. I was embarrassed to see more debris than my dustbin. Garages/others use the same cheepo carp for every car that they do.
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I did it [lazy] old school :
- hose in header tank
- 1/2 pulled off bottom hose
- start engine
- matched out [of bottom hose] to in [at header tank] flow
- started the car to fully flush with heater matrix full open
- switched the car engine off
- let it run till it was totally clear
You will see the return water from the whole cycle come squirting into the translucent header tank from its internal entry. There was loads of gunge. I used the x5L of GO-5 and the x5L of distilled for a quid, it may have been a pint or so short but that's still well protected, Cars give you what you give them and we will agree this stuff is hardly ever done properly regardless of who we pay - do it yourself and you know its right. Have a quick check of the level the next morning and look under the car for damp patch. Hope its not you RAD, Best of luck.
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I did also have a 1.5mm hole drilled in my temporary thermostat - and I know people have it working for them but it didn't for me. I did consider drilling lots of holes to see if it still overheated (or underheated) like that but thought I'd give the proper stat a go.
pellet inserted arse-about-face ? easy mistake,many do it !
I used this exact part
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Your welcome M8, we all,l from time to time come here for help.
Reproduced from 2012 below :
http://i.imgur.com/CGmImHg.png
The dance is the timing [knack] between moves in milliseconds between the OFF and ON position. Brain in gear, patience, it works in milliseconds, practice. NOTE that the OFF is one clockwise from the LOCK position and the LOCK position is the only position from which you can withdraw or insert the key into the barrel.
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Just drill a really small hole ...approx 1.5mm in the flange of the statMOD to allow hot water through before the wax pellet melts.
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have confirmed that there is a drain on the battery
On parasympathetic loss
The Ignition Off Draw should not exceed twenty-five milliamperes (0.025 ampere) your garage have confirmed the loss, what loss in milliamperes ?
Do you have an aftermarket radio fitted ?
Is [i don't have a 300] driven daily ? see/answer my lifestyle [frequency of use] question in the above link !
Battery CCA replaced with which Battery CCA
[i'm assuming 3.0 CRD, not the 5.7-litre V8.
Best of luck.
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See this post :http://www.chryslerforum.co.uk/topic/398-egr-valve-leaking-28crd-grand-voyager-2006-auto/?do=findComment&comment=1586
There's a manual hand lift pump about centre between RAD and engine block.
- it should be already hard when you 1st go out in the morning
- if it takes more than 1 push you have an LP issue
- - white plastic water trap is loose/diesil filter
- - Muppet put new 0 ring on top of old/diesel filter
- - dirty diesil filter
- - leak-back
Battery or fuel easy to test. Best of luck.
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HiYa SJC.
No one has a clue.
Where you want to get to depends on filling in the bit between where you start and finish.
.1. We don't know for example what battery you had and which new battery you bought/fitted.
.2. We don't know where the sparky plumbed in the tracker [or any other detail] etc
I have regularly stated 800CCA @ 80aH. If you started with an underpowered CCA and replaced it with [puts you in the excellent virgin lead Odyssey 770CCA 95aH] £300 range.
- dial sweep and then poor starting is battery
- cutting out when driving suggests fuel delivery LP side first
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see here. I further adjusted the batteryMOD :
I did a further mod and changed the the 33K Ω @ 1/2 watt to 22K Ω @ 1/2 watt keeps it under the 4.6[ish] [although I'm sure it would be safe a little higher]. I did get the extra .3's @ 14.4+ I was aiming for. This will better recover the winter loss more quickly. Of course in the summer the ALT output will be limited by the lower battery replenishment needs. That thread is here and I can confirm that I had 14.5-6V over the winter and its now an average of 14.3-4V summer.
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Head gasket on 2.8's are as rare as hens teeth, they tend to be on much older petrol or 2.5's with gas conversions.
Front flush proper Hoat 05 and 'stat mod with wobble pin') will cure most 90%+ of what people describe as overheating and "possible" head gaskets.
See #3 Best of luck..
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It's literally a 'kill switch' crachat. From the first moment when you insert the IGN key your protection system expects a 'handshake' - no handshake - no start - you are immobilised. I'm pleased you found it quickly.
We can all get caught out from time to time. Stay safe friend, best of luck.
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As Inspector Cleusau would say, the problem she is sol-ved! Loose spade connector on the starter motor. Crimped up and now starting. Thank you all for your help and advice.
As Inspector Cleusau would say, the problem she is sol-ved! Loose spade connector on the starter motor. Crimped up and now starting. Thank you all for your help and advice.
" trigger wire " it was [again] then !, Good for you my friend. Zero / zilch attempt on Bendix / not even a clicking noise go for trigger wire 1st on your list of solutions / tests.
Battery Drain?
in Voyager 4th Generation (2001-2007)
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Most UK AGM type batteries [.1.flat.2.spiral versions] that are called amp/hours will/can provide continuously until discharged. This is very different tor CCA (cold cranking amps) or CA (cranking amps)
This is where the BA-9 handheld battery tester comes into play:
I've got an old Solar BA-9 that still reads accurate
- I tell it SLA/AGM/et.al
- I tell it chemistry AGM/ flat/spiral
- I tell it CA or CCA (CCA
- I push 1 button!
Unfortunately these things cost.
There's a whole paragraph in the workshop manuals covering this general subject and warning you about leaving for more than a month and in the particular a special fuse with a ledge built in just for pulling this fuse before parking at airports. I'm UK 2.8 CRD no idea what you are my friend, but what I describe as lifestyle is everything in the winter. Use it or lose it my mate.