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#1 Crachat

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Posted 16 April 2019 - 06:18 PM

My '04 GV 2.8 diesel auto was running fine Saturday afternoon. Turned off for a few minutes and now won't turn over in 'P' or 'N'. 

Have tried charging the battery (7 hours on trickle charger), jump leads from another vehicle with engine running for an hour, disconnecting the negative lead for about 30 minutes, all to no avail.

When I turn on, all dash lights are fine and extinguish as they should, wash/wipe works, heater fan ditto but when I turn the key the clock goes out and the heater fan drops speed. Makes no difference if I turn fan off.

Before I get it towed to a garage does anyone have any bright ideas?

Thinking gear position reader or starter?

Any help gratefully received.



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Posted 16 April 2019 - 06:44 PM

Have you tried the earth lead connection to the starter motor? That was the trouble with mine with similar symptoms a year or so back IIRC. A quick wiggle and it magically sprang back to life. Replaced the spade connector with a new one after and it's not done it again. Good luck!
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Posted 16 April 2019 - 09:57 PM

Another possibility - have you got the availability of a multimeter? To check battery voltage?
From my own experience on a previous GV 3.3 if the battery popped its clogs even a jump start won't do it.
12.7 volts or more after a good period of charge and 15 minutes off the charger I believe.
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Posted 17 April 2019 - 10:25 AM

Thank you both, I have a chap coming to do some brake work on my Sebring tomorrow and he is aware of the problem.  I will point him towards the underside of the GV, prime him and let him fly.  Hopefully he will work some magic.  The battery is 3 years old (Halfords) and after I wasn't happy with the way it was behaving a couple of years ago, they tested it and it was showing just about 12.5 volts.  Hmm, I'm sensing a theme here! I will update as and when.



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Posted 17 April 2019 - 11:24 AM

- trigger wire on starter motor
- both earth's undone / cleaned / redone
- new/borrowed-charged 800/80 battery
- check LP system
- assuming factory alarm "self protect mode"


If it's zero, zilch attempt to even power the Bendix it's "protect" mode or 'trigger wire'/ Earth's.

RedTop fully charged is a straight swap. What CCA is the 3 year old battery is currently fitted ? Re-make the spade connector direct connection IGN to STARTER. Best of luck.

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Posted 18 April 2019 - 08:53 AM

As Inspector Cleusau would say, the problem she is sol-ved! Loose spade connector on the starter motor. Crimped up and now starting. Thank you all for your help and advice. 


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Posted 18 April 2019 - 09:36 AM

awsome


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Posted 18 April 2019 - 10:16 AM

Damn fine result!
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Posted 18 April 2019 - 10:48 AM

As Inspector Cleusau would say, the problem she is sol-ved! Loose spade connector on the starter motor. Crimped up and now starting. Thank you all for your help and advice.

As Inspector Cleusau would say, the problem she is sol-ved! Loose spade connector on the starter motor. Crimped up and now starting. Thank you all for your help and advice.


" trigger wire " it was [again] then !, Good for you my friend. Zero / zilch attempt on Bendix / not even a clicking noise go for trigger wire 1st on your list of solutions / tests.
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Posted 18 April 2019 - 06:41 PM

starter_solenoid1.jpg


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Posted 20 April 2019 - 09:13 AM

QinteQ that's the naughty little thing... It has been given a stern warning that it is never to let me down again! ;-)



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Posted 20 April 2019 - 10:57 AM

It's literally a 'kill switch' crachat. From the first moment when you insert the IGN key your protection system expects a 'handshake' - no handshake - no start - you are immobilised. I'm pleased you found it quickly.

We can all get caught out from time to time. Stay safe friend, best of luck.

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Posted 01 January 2020 - 09:37 PM

Complete novice here! Having trouble starting mine with the same symptoms after I replaced radiator - where do I find this start motor trigger wire. A picture would be great!

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Posted 02 January 2020 - 02:31 PM

Complete novice here! Having trouble starting mine with the same symptoms after I replaced radiator - where do I find this start motor trigger wire. A picture would be great!

-you are #13 two posts above you in #10 is the picture my friend



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Posted 02 January 2020 - 09:27 PM

Trigger terminal. We bu**er. Had this loose push on terminal on my girlie. Went on for months. Knew what it was, but but going under bonnet those many times to wiggle it seemed like a new dance. Then it wouldn't start at all, even wi a wiggle. Starter motor was goosed this time. So motor replaced but trigger connection secured with sma machine screw, great, two jobs sorted in one.
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